An extract from our blog from Anonymous
"So happy we got our own blog. Just want to ask the security fee are compulsory to pay or not? Because we still not submit our form to commitee member. Can your please to list out the profesional listing to us. Because we feel the amount not very clear. Just only write the estimate amount like RM17,000(service fee)RM15,000(cctv...sundry items) then got how many security guards duties on day? The car sticker RM30.00. we feel the prices high. We just want giving suggestion like: the car sticker max we got 3pcs for one house itn't,then, we take it photocopy for our extra cars.But must be chop & signature by Chaiman.Most of our USJ11/3 resident got more than 3 cars."
Dear Anonymous,
Firstly. I would very much like to address you as Mr. or Ms. "So and So" rather than "Anonymous", as I feel it is so impersonal, given the fact that you are one of our neighbours living in the same area - USJ 11/3. But I guess that is your right. However, I hope you will also start to break down the barrier by letting us get to know each other. There is really nothing to hide in our community blogsite. It is meant for you and me and everyone else living here.
Anyway, I do thank you for your comments. Judging by the way you have written, I think you have already got our flyers and have read it through. As such, on behalf of the committee members, I would like to address your concerns:
1) Is the fee compulsory or not?
This is really a question of what you want. We are only volunteering our services and collecting the money for the services is part of the voluntary job. The money does not go into our pockets. On the contrary, we are also paying the same. While we cannot force anyone to pay, just think about this:
Your committee members have been sacrificing their free time, weekends and evenings, the last few months trying to put this together. They have walked to each and every house to engage with all of you, distributing flyers in the heat of the sun. All this hard work and at the same time forked out their own money for refreshments, phone calls, etc, just so that as residents who live here, YOU and I, will get to enjoy all the benefits resulting from all the hard work put in by your fellow residents.
Now, would it not be fair to say then that "Yes indeed, we should contribute so that the cost will be lower as the burden for everyone will be lighter now"?!! With that, I leave it to your discretion and good understanding.
2) The breakdown in the cost of guards, infrastructure, etc.
The cost, as we have written in the flyers, are best estimates based on the number of guards required and the services needed to support that. It is very much a work-in-progress so to give you all the information now would be premature. But please note that USJ 11/3 is a very big area, which has a perimeter measuring at least 2km. At this point in time, the estimates given are already in the newsletter so please do read it again. If you are still unclear, you are most welcome to call us or perhaps join us at our periodic meetings. For schedule and venue of the meetings, please do contact our street leaders. At those meetings, it will be very much clearer for you to understand how the cost of doing such things come about.
3) Car sticker too high for the 4th car @ RM30.00
If you can afford four cars, would it not be reasonable to say that you can afford RM30.00 for a sticker? It is not so much the money that we are charging but the need to control the stickers issued out as one can easily get another for their friends or relatives and in the end, we will be incurring addtional costs which will be paid by us all and the security in our area will be compromised.
This will also have an impact on cars from outside parking in our area. Please take a walk along the main road in our area during office hours and you will see what we mean. On the photostating suggestion, how would the guards at the gate know it will be genuine even if signed by the chairman? Please understand, the guards on duty will have a difficult time if photocopied car stickers are allowed. Then, the robbers can also do the same. So, where is this going to lead to and where is it going to end?
While we thank you for your suggestions, perhaps you should also look at the practical side of things. Please always remember, the committee members are just like you and I, living in the same area, sharing the same concerns and aspirations. We do not do this for a profit or to make anything for ourselves. Thus, we hope you will help us by sharing the responsibility to make this a better place to live in. It will be impossible for us to execute this scheme if is no compromise. In the end, it will be back to square one!
On another note. There was a robbery reported at USJ 11/3 involving a few people with parangs recently, about 2 weeks ago. They broke into the house in broad daylight and pushed the lady who was at home at the time into the bathroom, ransacked and took away RM20,000 worth of things like laptops and all. Luckily, no harm came to the lady.
So, while we cannot guarantee 100% protection, at least with this security initiative, incidence like these can be substantially reduced. Perhaps while you are wondering about the RM50.00 and pondering over the extra charges for the car stickers and incoveniences, etc, do pause and think for a moment. You could be the next robbery victim!
Lastly, we welcome anyone who think they can contribute to help us with this task and more. Please do step forward as what we are doing is indeed not easy. For this, I would like to thank ALL the committee members for all their contribution and hard work while making the task a lot easier for everyone. You have done well to make this project in becoming a reality.
Thank you.
Jeffrey Khoo
Treasurer
11 Trees @ USJ
22 comments:
I understand that there are over 500 houses/residents that have agreed to support this project. What will happen if any of them refuse/fail to pay? Would the monthly payment amount increase? Frankly speaking, RM50 is the max amount that I'm willing to pay per month. We'll be moving soon, (currently renting) so not sure if we would still be here 6 months later... When is the payment collection and gates/security gonna be up?
Mrs Wong
30 USJ 11/3M
Hi Committee Members
First of all, thanks for the great work done. Looking forward for a successful implementation of the proposed security measure for this area.
I would like committee member to share a point which I do not find the answer in the flers:
As there are some who do not support this security/guarded service, are they required to get the car sticker as well? If they are not required to do so, and if they are not subject to surrendering their license (obviously they will reluctant to do so), what measure will be taken to prevent others (robbers maybe) to pose as the residents in USJ 11/3 from entering the area?
Thank you.
Jo
USJ 11/3E
Dear all,
I am a resident at USJ 11/3 and I have worked in the committee previously before I went overseas. I would like to express my sincere appreciation to the hard work being put in by the committee. I remember the times when my wife and family had to put in long hours sending flyers from house to house.We had to put in our own money to pay for the cost of doing this. This is forgetting the time at night when we had to meet to discuss and agree on the approach to take to address some of the issues. Therefore the committee now should be commended for setting up this blog and communicating to us electronically. Even now when I am overseas I look forward to read on what is going on in my community. I still own my house in USJ 11/3 and I fully suppport the security initiative. The police have told us before that they dont have the resources to cover every neighbourhood 24/7 and ask that the residents work together to set up their own security system and work as a community to prevent crime. There is no other way and we should all support this initiative by the residents committee.
Dear Mrs. Wong and Jo,
Thank you for your comments. Yes indeed, we are working out a mechanism to manage these group of people who refuse to pay but still live in the same community. We are preparing another set of controls with a different stickers for them. They too will be subjected to pay if they need more than what they need.
There will be a lot more operational questions I am sure that will arise but we cannot possibly answer all but we assure you, all these issues have been discussed at length at our regular meetings with feedback and lessons learned from other areas. We are working out the best way while keeping the inconveniences to a minimal for everyone living in the area.
We do appreciate your support very much and would also like to assure you that we do not intend to ask for more than RM50.00/month.
As for Mrs. Wong, further down the road, if you are still residing here in USJ 11/3, you will find that this RA will be doing many more exciting projects which will benefit the residents but it is too early to tell you at this stage.
Thank you both, for your kind comments.
Best Regards,
JKhoo
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Hello Param,
Glad to hear you are well and have hooked up with the committee members again. I will be posting their pictures soon on this blogsite. You will be glad to know that it has expanded somewhat and now there are more active members that have made all these tasks possible. Please do come back to the blogsite whenever you can.
Best wishes,
JKhoo
Happy Merdeka, with the hard works carried by the RA so far, I sincerely hope Mr.Anonymous will help out the RA by paying his share. There is nothing free in this world and it is also not right for other to pay for you while you enjoy the benefits like others. Having employ guards for my factory and office, it is simple arithmetic. average RM4/hr x 24hrs x 30 days x 5 guards will give you RM14,400 per month. Bearing in mind, the committee members are doing this by sacrificing their free time and $, I hope the 500 residents will pay up. I have just paid by share of RM330.00, hope you all will do so.
I must thank the committee for the work done and even more work to be done in the future.
What worries me is, from a free access housing area, we are now subjected to someone else's idea of "they need more than what they need". Is it right for someone to impose on others on exactly how much they need?
Also, it has been said so many times, that YOU could be the next victim? How sure are we that with all the measures taken, with everyone paying up, crime will actually go down? There have been articles of gated community, including high end condos will full time guards, being robbed.
I suggest we proceed with caution. Start with something simple - like get to know your neighbours. It is free, it is fun. Start with turning on lights at night. Start with a patrol, leave access control later. Smaller steps would also be easier to manage and to cope.
As one of the residents of USJ 11/3, i am grateful that there's a group of volunteers @ the committee members who are putting in so much of their time and effort to implement this proposed security measure for this area.So, to make it a success,we as the residents should give our fullest support.I have paid up my share and hope all of you will do the same soonest possible.Just a few days ago, the child of my friend who is a resident of USJ 16 was telling me, "Auntie, now i can go to the park by myself coz it's safer, unlike those days when there were no gates around."
Jade,
USJ 11/3L
I quite agree with anonymous who posted "I suggest we proceed with caution. Start with something simple - like get to know your neighbours. It is free, it is fun. Start with turning on lights at night. Start with a patrol, leave access control later. Smaller steps would also be easier to manage and to cope."
Have the committee do their research on other areas who have such security ? To my knowledge only USJ5 (where MPSJ is located) have such security and that area is a high-class area of bungalows resided by the rich and famous people. As far as I know, nowhere else in USJ or other places in Malaysia where the residents think it is necessary to have such security.
Cost is the major consideration. Not only we have to come up with the initial cost to set up the gates, guardhouse, etc, we have to pay a monthly fee which would quite possibly increase in future with cost of things going up.
With limited in/out of our house, we have to spend extra time and petrol to go to the designated gates. This also somewhat leads to traffic jams at such places.
These days are trying times, with cost of basic necessisites all going up which already put a heavy strain on our budget.
Security is a very personal thing and should be be "forced" on to others who do not like the idea at all. Well, if someone feel not too safe, they can always install addition padlocks, grills, alarm systems to their house. Not everyone feels the need for alarm systems. So if U want additional security, you pay for it. I am aware that currently there is already a security firm called Central Security which provide security to some of the houses for a monthly fee. Well, these people want this additional security, so they are willing to pay the Central Security monthly.
Everyone is only responsible for oneself as to security so if you want to be safe when you are out on the streets, you need to be aware of your surroundings - eg if you see some mean looking guy walking towards you and you suspect he might want to rob you, cross over to the other side of the road. Ladies when carrying handbags, slung the handle on the other side of the shoulder. Always walk against the traffic. Park you car in well-lit places, don't leave both your front gate and door gate open at the same time, etc, etc
Well, personally, even if I do not have to pay for it, I still don't want it cos it is an inconvinence to me - wasting valuable time and petrol travelling a longer route.
This does not mean I'm ungrateful to the committee members who sacrifice their time and effort to come up with this idea.
To put up chain link fencing would be very expensive to setup and even this, robbers can climb over. And without chain link fencing, anyone can walk in and out of USJ11/3 to commit crime.
Dear Cody,
I presume you live in USJ 11/3. Thank you for your comments. I believe you are one of those who profess to live in isolation. But it is okay for you to share your views with us.
If you feel so strongly about not participating, we also respect that. But spare a thought about the majority who does not agree with you. I also see a lot of suggestion on research, etc. by the committee members. Do you know that they are all doing voluntary work at their free time? Why not you do it rather than just suggest. We would welcome your information if you can gather it for the benefit of all the residents.
Have you ever considered perhaps initiating the RUKUN TETANGGA or something in that order in the past? Have you made an effort to walk the neighbourhood and get everyone together so that they can get to know each other? Have you ever spoken to someone who has fell victim to a robbery?
Since you have suggested it, why did you not at least initiate any of these plans of yours? You could have gotten our support and free up our time.
I would like to quote you. "Everyone is only responsible for oneself...". This gives me the impression that it is your own self-interest that you always look after. It is a very self-centred approach in addressing a major issue that clearly affects everyone of us. It does not promote good neighbourliness.
We have stated very clearly many times that with every security measure, we cannot guarantee that things will not happen. But at least we know, we have taken some steps to reduce the risk. How much depends on the compromise we need to take. And that depends on you.
We respect your right to voice your concerns but at the same time, we hope to get your cooperation one way or the other.
Thank you.
Oh my. The comments by a friend of Jade look dangerous. Just because it is gated, people have the illusion that it is more secure. That's a very dangerous assumption.
I fully agree with the committee. We should do something, but there is no guarantee.
No point putting in new security measures but dropping our guard, so to speak. That's like putting in RM 10 in the left pocket and taking out RM 20 from the right pocket. This could lead to a nett loss.
I suggest we still be just are careful as we are without the gates / guards. We should not let kids wander of alone or leave doors unlocked.
The illusion that the place will be a lot safer is a disaster waiting to happen. Should someone go missing / be kidnapped - what are we going to do? Sack the guards? After all, they are our kids, not the guards'.
At the end of the day, it is our responsibility and we cannot subcontract it to a bunch of guards and some metal gates.
TK
USJ 11/3K
I appreciate all the hard work done by the committee but I would give me opinion on security.
Generally break-ins happen when you are not at home as thieves would not dare take the risk of them being caught red-handed with occupants in the house; after all the sole purpose of them breaking into your house is to steal valuable stuff. Perfectly logical and also taking into consideration the additional crime if the unfortunate happens and injury happens to the occupents of the house. Stealing is a crime, but far less serious then if they harm others. Theives just want your money and valuables and not cause harm to anyone.
I can bear witness that is true cos my house has been broken into twice since I moved in many years ago. And there is another incident when thieves nearly managed to breakin - they prized open 1 of the aluminium windows which I think they then use a wire hook to pull the window handle to open the window, but luckily we've tied wires around the window handles so thry could not be opened, so they gave up. This means thatin 3 cases, thieves strike when on one is at home.
And just 3 mths ago, my neighbour house was broken into when no one was at home too. I was shocked when the lady of the house came back from work in the evening and told us her house was broken into as I was at home the whole day and only went out about 1/2 hour to the bank in Taipen and I did not hear any suspecious noises when I'm at home, so the thieves must have entered the house in the 1/2 hour when I was out. This is because, they prize open the aluminium window and by brute force (with help of maybe an iron bar) push the iron grill of the window, which will definitely create quite a commotion when the iron grill fell to the ground. So if I was at home when they did this, I would certainly heard the noises.
So, thieves are professionals at their "job" - in probably 20 minutes or so, they would have gained entry to your house.
Now, how did the thieves know that my neighbour were not at home and so is the next door neighbour (me) - well, they must have done their homework and observed our houses for some days or maybe weeks - noting down when time the occupants leave the house, etc. That is perfectly logical - thieves want their "ventures" to be successful.
So, do you think security guards who do maybe hourly rounds of your house be able to stop these thieves from doing their dirty work ? Thieves can take their own sweet time since in just 20 minutes or maybe even faster, they would have entered your house while the guards just comes hourly (or maybe even every 2 hours).
Thieves don't need to drive a car to come rob your house to haul all your heavy stuff like TV, computers, etc - these things are difficult to dispose of and cannot sell at high price as buyer will know they are stolen goods. Thieves steal only items they can put in their pockets or in plastic bags, so they certainly don't need to drive their get-away car to cart your goods away. Well, this is what happened to my neighbour - thieves took their money, jewellery, watches, handphones, foreign currencies (and even this they took those high value currencies like the USD$ but they leave behind Chinese Yuan - why Chinese Yuan they don't want - cos they only have 2 hands per person to carry).
This is getting too long. Will touch on other issues some other time.
Dear Cody
While all your points are valid, I would like to put it straight that the security measure proposed, in fact no measures, is 100% foolproof. It is a preventive measure to deter anyone who even think of coming into the guarded areas.
Same reason as you mentioned thieves do not want to get into any trouble except to steal and get away fast, if they see an area is guarded with security guard, they will probabaly move on to other areas. Also as you mentioned, they will probably did a lot of observation/homework before they strike, i believe with secrutiy guards around, it is not that easy for them to move around freely to do their "survey". Security guard on duty can approach them if they are spotted loitering around in our area.
I would also like to suggest some points to the residence here which I personally think is a good practice to be followed :
1) If you are at home, do not closed all the windows and doors. I came to know few cases whereby the thieves were also in shocked when they entered and only found there are people in the house.
2) Do come out from you house and do something outside the house, be it gardening or sitting in front porch, sometime I wonder why bother to buy and stay in a house with garden but lock youself inside like staying in an apartment.
I believe if there are more people moving around and make the place more lively, the thieves will forget about this area. Just my 1 sen (Malaysian sen) worth of opinion.
Jo
In housing estates like our USJ here, any area outside your house is public area and you can walk around freely. So any stranger can just ignore you or any security guards who try to stop you to ask questions what are you doing here ? If they feel like it, they can tell you to go fly kites and if they are polite, they can give dozens of reasons why they are here - visit friends, looking for house to buy/rent, want to survey this area with intention to settle down here, friends asking them to help find housing accomodation here, lost their way while going to the shops, etc, etc.
Housing estates are not condos where the area is owned by the developer and thus you need to ask the guards for permission to enter the condo.
USJ 11 area is HUGE - 300 meter by 750 meter or 225,000 square meters. Compare this to say Siri Bayu Condo nearby which measures just 100 m x 70 m or 32 times smaller. And condo are fully fenced off unlike USJ 11, where you have 2,100 meter perimeter (750+300+750+300)where any Tom, Dick and Harry can walk in without fear to do their dirty work.
Short of putting up 10 feet high walls around USJ 11 with barb wires on top, like in Pudu jail, chain link fencing is useless to stop intruders from coming in - take just mere minutes to cut with wire cutters. Then the residents are left to foot the repair bills to mend the fencing.
I think Jo has provided 2 very good points to help reduce the crime rate in our area. I proposed that the committee create another folder in this site, maybe calling it Crime Prevention Measures, whereby the residents will post their input as to how crime can be reduced.
This folder would also be the place where residents input their own or others actual experiences where crime has been committed and what meansures they subsequently took to prevent similar crimes from happening again. This will provide good guidance as to what security measures we can have to reduce crime in our area.
Well, I will start the ball rolling with the break-in of my neighbour about 3 months ago.
What Happened : At least 1 thief climbed over the outer fencing of her house (the proof is in the footsteps left behind near the fencing). The side aluminium window was prized open and the whole iron grill was completely forced down to fall on the floor. No one was at home when it happened around 11 am when the next door neighbour was also away for about 1/2 hour to Taipan. Small and high value items were stolen - money, foreign currency, jewellery, watches, handphones.
What could have prevented the crime : the side window is a security risk as it is somewhat hidden unless someone is standing almost directly in front of the house, meaning that it is not facing the road directly and thus in direct view of people standing on the road outside. This security-risk window was sealed-off with bricks and thus now the occupants are feeling more relieve now.
As a footnote, I would like to say that Sime UEP tries to provide innovative designs, but some have glaring security risk such as with windows quite well hidden in corners whereby intruders can do their "work" without being noticed. So all of us should take a critical look at our own house as to security risk. Where are the likely places where intruders can gain entry and what we could do to prevent them from entering at such places.
I really appreciate all the hard work done by the committee members ! Thank you ! Having said this, in my opinion, there are just too many security loopholds in the proposed security system to make it viable.
- USJ 11 is just too huge an area, measuring 300 meters by 750 meters, that only a high brick wall will prevent intruders from entering (I don't know about you, but I would hate the feeling that I'm staying in Pudu jail)
- thieves usually don't drive to your house to steal (if they could afford to own a car, they would most likely not resort to stealing), so what the restricted entry into the area serves solely to inconvenience the residence here
- thieves are not that stupid to enter near the guard houses where the guards can see them entering when there are a total perimeter of 2,100 meters where they can enter.
- any area outside your house is public property and you or the guards do not have the right to stop strangers to question them.
- thieves take 20 minutes or less to gain entry into your house while the petrol guards come maybe every hour, so thieves have plenty of time to break in. Once they have gained access to your house, they can take their own sweet time to ransack your house and can afford to spend many hours as they can always escape thr' the back gate when they see you have returned from work.
As I see it, the whole setup will only cause a minor nuisance to thieves who target houses to break in. And the main thing is they just need to know the routine of the petrol guards - well actually not much to it as once the guards has zoomed past the target house, they are very unlikely to come for the next round in 20 minutes time, by which time, the thieves has entered your home.
But what impact will this have on the residence ?
- wasted petrol and time travelling a longer distance to come in and go out of USJ11
- less customers will come patronize the USJ11 shops due to the inconvenience of having to surrender their IC/driving licence with the guards and thus less income for them.
- quarrels will result when non-residents drive in and are told to surrender their documents. Well, it's ok if they are entering a condo, but this is a housing estate, so some will refuse and if the guards insist, then the occupants of the car will just park their car outside USJ11 and walk in, possibly cursing the guards all the time.
- instead of creating good neighbourliness, the opposite results as when some residence do not agree to pay as they do not see the need for the system and then animosity will result with those paying having hard feelings about those who refused to pay. In bad situations, it might lead of quarrels amoung the neighbours especially when later due to cost rising folks are told to pay more.
Situation changes eg 2 years down the road, you might uproot to another place to live and rent out your house - would you still be willing to continue paying and if not, would your tenants foot the bill ?
What I meant on my Sept 2 posting about "Everyone is only responsible for oneself as to security" and "Security is a very personal thing" is all of us have different security needs. To said that this "give the impression that it is my own self-interest that I always look after" is not right.
Everyones security needs are different depending on factors such as -
A)the structure of your house - if your house have windows in secluded corners (like mine with 2 such high-risk security windows), your house need more security since your house have more targets where intruders can gain entry.
B) your household lifestyle - if both husband and wife are working and the kids are left with day care centers leaving the house empty from 8 to 7 pm, then you need more security vs someone who is retired and is at home most of the time. For the working couples, it might be advisable to invest in an alarm system or a fierce dog.
C) you own a corner/end lot - you need more security vs other terrace houses as your house have a larger perimeter and more windows where thieves can enter
D) both your neighbours have maids and thus always have people around You need less security as thieves will find it more difficult to break-in your house for fear of being noticed by the 2 neighbours
E) you are single and rent out the rest of the rooms to other singles. Since you do not have much valuables kept in your rented house, you need less security. A house few doors away from my house do not even lock their front gate Well, I guess they must be renting and they do not keep anything of value in the house.
So assuming USJ11 is a condo surrounded by walls and is 10-20 times smaller area, those who see the need for the guarded security are -
- those who leave the house empty during the day when they are at work.
Those that don't need guarded security -
- singles renting the house and which do not keep much valuable in the house
- those who have installed good alarm systems plus good locks
- those houses that have people in the house most of the time
- those that do not have weaknesses where intruders can gain entry and with multiple good locks installed.
The point is, in my opinion, guarded security is unnecessary, ineffective and waste of money. Depending on your personal situation, an alarm system, a fierce dog, strengthened your high risk sucurity windows, etc will solve your security problems.
"The point is, in my opinion, guarded security is unnecessary, ineffective and waste of money. Depending on your personal situation, an alarm system, a fierce dog, strengthened your high risk sucurity windows, etc will solve your security problems."
Dear Cody,
You forgot to mention, 'don't go to sleep, use 100 padlocks, erect 100' walls and all else don't work, go live in a jail! It will also solve your security problem"
I have been staying here for 8 years and I heard lots of crimes and personally experienced once. Generally, there are 3 categories of thefts here :
1) Act alone thief who break-in and steal small items but valuable items(camera, gold, cash, watches). It is right that this group of thieves don't drive in this area and they could be on motorbike or on foot. I experienced once couple of years ago during fasting month when we just went out for buka puasa for about an hour. Came back and the whole house was ransacked. After that, I did some study and found that there are few weaknesses that encouraged the thief to target my house. a) I used a small tiny padlock for my back gate. b) I had a grille door to my kitchen but it was installed inside so from outside it looked like we only have the wooden door. c) The light at the back was installed too low, the thief actually unplugged the light bulb by climbing on top of the cement wall at the wash area. Of course i have addressed all the weak points above and also installed an alarm.
2) The second group of thieves are more organized, daring and come prepared. This group came with parang or weapons, they could followed you home behind your vehicle or came in during wee hours of the morning in their own vehicle (their vehicle is even better than my proton). They come to rob you, tucked away all your items, drive away your car. On top of that, this group is dangerous, they are prepared to do anything if thing doesn't go their way. I am more worry about this than the first group. We are talking about our own safety here.
3) Then we have this petty theft who steal your shoes, garden chair, flowers, fishes, football, gosh, i can't imagine what kind of thing they could steal.
Apart from the above, I have also heard about kids being dragged away in car couple of years ago and attempt to kidnap cases. Now, again, this is a dangerous group of people and we are talking about safety here.
I do agreed that the security guard is not given the authority to question people who wants to come into this area as it is public area. My point is with gated and guarded area will deter or turn away such group of people. On top of that, security should not be questioning them but rather approach them in pretext to help, asking them what are they looking for, guide them to the place they want to look for, blah blah, there are so many ways and things could be done. I believe if it is a genuine visitor they will be more than happy to be assisted. As for friends, relatives who come to visit then i do not believe they will make a fuss about it if they do care their friends or relative staying in USJ 11/3.
I do see the point about the shoppers who wish to go to the 2 rows of shops and also the huge area here. Well, i guess everybody should contribute to the committee members how to tackle the 2 issues.
My personal opinion is proposed security measure will prevent (not 100% though) or reduce the crime in USJ 11/3.
Jo
"You forgot to mention, 'don't go to sleep, use 100 padlocks, erect 100' walls and all else don't work, go live in a jail! It will also solve your security problem"
The above posting is a mean personal attack.
This blog is for discussions on how we can reduce the crime rate in our community. I have offerred my personal opinion, which might seem like I'm "attacking" those who are for the security system, which I'm not. I'm just stating all the loopholds in the security. On a positive note, I've suggested an alternative way to address security issues here - pl read my ealier postings. In future I will offer more ideas what we can do to reduce the crime rate in our community. I hope others will do the same. There are over 700 occupied houses in our USJ11 area, but so far less than 10 people has posted their comments in this blog. Come on guys & gals - this blog is meant for you to offer your ideas for the benefit of the community - post your ideas or opinions here.
Currently there is already a motorbike patrol called Central Security. I'm sure all of us have seen their yellow plastic tags attached on the gate posts of subscribers. Are there still households subscribing to their service ? Hope those who are/were using their services post your comments here. I see a need to look into this in detail and thus it would be good if the webmaster create a folder here called "Central Security" so that anything on the security company will be posted here - eg costing, what are the services offered, how exactly does it operate etc. Then maybe later when we have all the needed info, we can have a survey on how many would like to subscribe to their service and if a lot, say 50-100, then the committee or an assigned community member will approach the security firm to negotiate on reducing the cost to say 50% and on any other details such as need 1/2 hourly patrols instead of hourly, etc.
Another folder we could start is on Rukun Tetangga as suggested by our committee member earlier. Feedbacks can then be posted in this Rukun Tetangga folder. Personally my RT experience was over 20 years ago in my hometown Ipoh and it was sort of fun mixing around with the others and getting some nite-time exercise to boot. So why don't we start this ? Well, there is a lot of legwork and planning before we can implement this RT project, but there is no hurry - 6 mths down the road or a year down the road is ok with me. Just make sure we cover all the bases before we start. This does not mean we will eventually start our own RT, but we need to gather info and feedbacks 1st. So I hope the webmaster will create a "RT" folder here as well.
Thanks
Dear Cody,
I think the comment ....
"You forgot to mention, 'don't go to sleep, use 100 padlocks, erect 100' walls and all else don't work, go live in a jail! It will also solve your security problem"
In my opinion is not a personal attack, but rather FED UP!. I don't blame that person.
On another posting you quoted "Come on guys & gals - this blog is meant for you to offer your ideas for the benefit of the community - post your ideas or opinions here." reading this I try to think positive and see you as offering ideas but somehow (in between the lines) the more I read your posting I get the impression you're trying to garner support for ones to go against or boycott the security now proposed and almost in implementation phase.
Cody, I would think somehow I am wrong to form this opinion of you but from your postings I see you as one who have got such great passion for security, since the committee is all made up of volunteer residents why don't you volunteer yourself as part of the team implementing our security in USJ11?... I am sure you'll be able to contribute more then!.
Chin.
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